三连败也不能全怪威少(威少正考虑离队)(1)

[Wojnarowski] ESPN Sources: Russell Westbrook and his agent Thad Foucher are engaged with OKC GM Sam Presti on next steps for the All-Star guard, including the possibility of trade this summer.

据Woj报道,据消息人士透露,威少和他的经纪人正与球队经理普雷斯蒂商讨下一步计划,包括在新赛季开始前交易离开雷霆。

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[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook BBallHunter 81 points 10 hours ago

TANK FORWARD.

雷霆球迷:摆烂前进!!!

[–]Knicks BabeRuthsDad 4625 points 9 hours ago

What a crazy turn of events in 24 hours for OKC

尼克斯球迷:雷霆过去这24小时真的是惊涛骇浪啊

[–]Pacers XcSDeadDeer 22 points 7 hours ago

Jesus christ. I cant believe "Where is Kawhi going" has turned into "PG traded out of OKC and Russell Westbrook may be gone too"

This is fucking nuts

步行者球迷:我的天呐,从“小卡去哪儿”演变成了“乔治离开雷霆,威少或许也走人”,我真是不敢信呐。

这也太尼玛扯了。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant Dongsquad420BlazeIt 62 points 9 hours ago

Definitely not where I thought this offseason was going. my expectations have certainly been subverted.

湖人球迷:肯定不是我原先预想的休赛期剧情。我的三观已经被彻底颠覆了。

[–]Warriors Duvangrgata1 118 points 9 hours ago

Every earthquake has its aftershocks..

勇士球迷:每次地震后总有余震嘛

[–]AceJoker253 70 points 9 hours ago

Just like eeeevvery rose has its thorn

正如每朵玫瑰都带刺

[–]Warriors Talic 19 points 8 hours ago

Just like every night has its dawn

勇士球迷:正如每个黑夜后都是黎明

[–]Raptors Raptors2017champs 8 points 7 hours ago

Just like every Kawhi has a Dennis

猛龙球迷:正如每个小卡都有丹尼斯大舅……

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook wcooper97 3200 points 9 hours ago

It’s a nightmare but so were 3 consecutive first round exits and nothing but 47-49 win seasons.

雷霆球迷:这是场噩梦,可是我们之前连着三年首轮出局又何尝不是呢,除了每个赛季赢个47-49胜,啥也没有。

[–]Nuggets loplopplop 130 points 8 hours ago

Yeah exactly. Making the playoffs is great, but being capped out at a first round exit and a tax paying team is more depressing than a legit smart rebuild.

掘金球迷:确实啊。能打进季后赛固然很好,可是首轮出局还得付着高额的奢侈税,这可比明智的推倒重建要压抑多了。

[–]Lakers nchs 12 points 8 hours ago

They thought they would be watching from the sidelines during the Kawhi saga

湖人球迷:雷霆本以为他们可以在卡哇伊决定期间当个吃瓜群众。

[–]Thunder rabidbot 72 points 9 hours ago

We are used to instant devastation. Tornadoes, bombs...its in the blood.

雷霆球迷:我们已经习惯了突然的打击。飓风、爆炸……这是刻在血液里的。

[–]Raptors -super-hans 226 points 7 hours ago

Honestly I know it sucks now, but you guys benefitted huge from this situation. No way you'd have got that return for George if it didn't guarantee the Clippers Kawhi. That's a historic haul, 5 firsts, 2 good players and 2 potential pick swaps.

猛龙球迷:说实话,我知道你们现在有多不爽,可是你们这次也占了很大的便宜啊。如果不是乔治的交易能保证小卡加盟快船,你们是绝对没法用乔治换来那么多资产的。你们这可是历史性的大礼包啊,5个首轮、2个强援,还有两个选秀交换权。

[–]Celtics rounder55 56 points 5 hours ago

It's crazy to think that there's an 11 year old finishing out some summer day sucking on a freeze pop that's going to be part of this Paul George trade

凯尔特人球迷:一想到这会儿正有个嗦着冰棍的11岁小屁孩儿以后会成为乔治交易的一部分,简直是扯啊。

[–]Thunder theFriendlyDoomer 30 points 4 hours ago

I mean, hopefully he's practicing his three-point shot right now. At least free-throws.

雷霆球迷:我觉得吧,希望他现在正练习投三分吧。至少练练罚球也行啊。

[–]NBA TheAmbitious1 47 points 9 hours ago

They haven't won a playoff series since KD left. It's obviously time to break it all down and rebuild from the bottom up.

What shocks me is that if PG HADN'T asked for a trade, they were prepared to run it back with the same roster and coach next year for another 1st round exit. WB and PG are 100% in the right to not want to be playing for such a shitty FO

雷霆自打阿杜离开后还没拿下过季后赛系列赛。明显是时候推倒重来了。

真正让我诧异的是,如果乔治没有要求交易,雷霆居然还打算原班人马下赛季再来一遍首轮游。威少和乔治不想在这种狗屎管理层手下打球,这是完全合理的。

[–][SAS] Manu Ginobili LoneStarDeMar 1450 points 9 hours ago

Yeah they really needed this honestly. Nate Duncan made a good point (even if a bit dickish) that PG requesting a trade gave them good cover to make a move that they should have done regardless. I hope they can put Russ in a good situation, he deserves it honestly.

马刺球迷:是的,雷霆真的需要乔治这笔交易。Nate Duncan(NBA名记)说的好,乔治提出交易的请求,使得雷霆有了采取动作的好借口。希望他们能给威少找个好下家,他应该得到这种待遇。

[–]Bucks chemthethriller 475 points 8 hours ago

I honestly thought before the PG trade and with Durant's exit and klay's injury it was a possibility they could do well this year.

雄鹿球迷:讲真啊,我之前还觉得呢,要是乔治不走,在阿杜离队克莱受伤的情况下,雷霆下赛季有可能大干一场。

[–]absent_name 114 points 8 hours ago

OKC as constructed wasn't going anywhere in the playoffs. They got blasted by Utah, Portland, and the Rockets. All in the first round. Not once did they ever face the Warriors. So whether or not the Warriors are healthy doesn't really seem to matter.

就那支雷霆到了季后赛走不远的。他们连着被爵士、开拓者和火箭干了。全都是在首轮。甚至都没碰到过勇士。所以不管勇士是否健康,他们真的都没戏。

[–]Thunder uwanmirrondarrah 657 points 8 hours ago

We always think we are gonna do well. Then we play lights out, followed by horrible, followed by first round exit.

This team had so much talent but just couldn't do anything with it.

雷霆球迷:我们总以为球队可以雄起。然后打出高光,紧接着稀烂,然后首轮出局。这个球队天赋是很高的,可就是啥出息都没。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant tatancool 411 points 7 hours ago

Sounds like a coaching problem to me...

湖人球迷:我咋觉得是教练问题……

[–]Thunder AirJohnston 231 points 7 hours ago

Presti is never getting rid of Billy. Feels like he’s as untouchable as Pop

雷霆球迷:普雷斯蒂就没烦过多诺万。感觉他和波波一样是不能动的。

[–]Thunder Angelsoft717 215 points 7 hours ago

Which sucks because any other coach would've been fired. Whatever he's doing obviously isn't working.

雷霆球迷:就这才不爽啊,要是换其他人早被炒了。不管多诺万怎么搞,都是没用的。

[–]Thunder AirJohnston 121 points 7 hours ago

Yup, but Presti loves him for some reason even though both our star players apparently expressed concern about him so I’ll be shocked if we actually get rid of him

雷霆球迷:是,可是不知咋地他就是讨普雷斯蒂喜欢啊,哪怕我们的两个头牌都表达过不满也是如此。要是我们真炒了多诺万,我才懵逼呢。

[–]Knicks dougprishpreed69 40 points 7 hours ago

I think he’ll actually be good as a coach for a rebuilding squad. If you guys ship westbrook I think he’d be good for a bunch of young players

尼克斯球迷:我觉得多诺万会非常适合执教一支重建阵容的。如果你们送走了威少,我觉得他的执教会对这帮年轻球员有好处。

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[–]radicalheadphone 1016 points 9 hours ago

And here.

We.

Go.

又来了……

[–][WAS] Bradley Beal ScaryBullfrog 93 points 10 hours ago

this offseason is legit insane

奇才球迷:这个休赛期是真疯了

[–]Raptors JAYG567 324 points 9 hours ago

I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH THIS STUFF

猛龙球迷:我本以来这种事已经了了

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook Swish4141 1003 points 9 hours ago

Fuck, I'm not ready for this :'(

雷霆球迷:靠,我都还没准备好呢(狗头)

[–]Bucks whosgeoff 1038 points 9 hours ago2

Dame literally killed the thunder

雄鹿球迷:真是利拉德杀死了雷霆啊

[–]Bulls ClaymoresRevenge 91 points 9 hours ago

He waved bye and just like that everything changed

公牛球迷:他那次挥别之后,一切都变了

[–]Thunder pinata26 403 points 9 hours ago

He did us a huge favor tbh

雷霆球迷:讲真,他帮了我们一个大忙

[–]Thunder Wes___Mantooth 92 points 9 hours ago

Yeah Im stoked about the PG trade. We have to wait awhile but we have a really bright future now.

雷霆球迷:是啊,乔治离队我是很欢喜的。本来我们还得等些日子,可是现在,我们真的拥有一个光明的未来。

[–]Money OnTheBeat 59 points 8 hours ago

Yeah a real bright future of a bunch of #25 draft picks

一堆25名往后的选秀签,能不光明嘛

[–]Lakers matticans7pointO 15 points 6 hours ago

Thunder have always been a good drafting team though. And they could still get more picks/young players by trading Westbrook.

湖人球迷:雷霆向来擅长选秀啊。而且要是送走威少,人家还能得到选秀签和年轻人。

[–]Thunder kamikazeguy 110 points 10 hours ago

Thunder about to have more draft picks than the rest of the league combined.

雷霆球迷:我雷的选秀签怕是要比联盟其他队加起来还多。

[–]OKC Hornets TheDharmaDude 14 points 8 hours ago

And Presti is the GOAT of drafting. thunder going to be scary good in the next 5 years.

毕竟普雷斯蒂是选秀之王。雷霆五年后会很猛的。

[–]Trail Blazers foofaw 221 points 8 hours ago

I think once the initial shock of all of this wears off, your fanbase will realize that you are better off in the long run. Y'all have way more directions to go in now.

But it always sucks to see your franchise player leave. Can't imagine what it would be like to lose Dame, so I feel for you guys.

开拓者球迷:我觉得经过乔治交易之后,威少这事儿也没啥了,你们雷蜜会意识到的,从长远来看,这么做对球队更好。现在你们的建队方向更多了。

[–]Celtics ssjgoat 97 points 7 hours ago

It's also possible they trade Westbrook and don't make the post season at all for the next decade. Not like OKC is a hotspot to FAs. Also if attendance goes down bad enough, the team might move.

So I don't agree with your assessment that it will be better in the long run since they may not even exist in the long run.

I want him to stay but that boy has to learn how to shoot 3s.

凯尔特人球迷:他们也有可能在送走威少之后接下来十年都无缘季后赛。俄克拉荷马在转会市场又不抢手。再者说了,要是上座率低的吓人的话,球队或许还会搬走。

所以我不赞同楼上说的长期来看会更好,因为长远些说,雷霆或许都不在了。

我也希望威少留队,可是那哥们儿得学会投三分啊。

[–]Pacers MindofShadow 83 points 6 hours ago

Exactly.

What if somes picks convey late? What if those picks happen in a shit draft? What if they just miss in the draft?

Before you know it, 8 years when by and you've become the Wizards

步行者球迷:确实。如果雷霆那些选秀签很靠后呢?要是这些选秀签碰上了一届很菜的新秀呢?要是他们错过选秀呢?

一晃八年过去,等你发现的时候,你都成了奇才了。

[–]Wizards LongLongIsland 69 points 5 hours ago

bro :(

奇才球迷:老铁……

[–]Celtics houseshoes93 731 points 9 hours ago

Maybe it's foolish thinking, but I've always thought Russell would retire a Thunder

凯尔特人球迷:或许我的想法很蠢,可是我老以为威少会在雷霆退役。

[–]Mavericks throwaway25813 461 points 9 hours ago

it's not foolish at all

a few months back when dirk retired i asked this very sub about who would break Dirk's streak of 21 seasons of the same team and the most popular answer was Russ

独行侠球迷:你这想法一点都不蠢。

几个月前德克退役的时候,我还在这个论坛问谁会打破德克效力同一支球队21年的纪录,当时最高亮的答案就是威少。

[–]Thunder HolyRicardoiGuess 290 points 8 hours ago

i miss a few months ago

雷霆球迷:我想念几个月前了。

[–]Thunder HolyRicardoiGuess 37 points 6 hours ago

i miss 2012:(

雷霆球迷:我想念2012年(狗头)

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[–]Mavericks VictorAkwaowo1 1681 points 9 hours ago

He gone

独行侠球迷:他要走了

[–]Trail Blazers MoDollazz 115 points 9 hours ago

Kinda sad if it happens but OKC needs to rebuild

开拓者球迷:要真走了会有点伤感,可是雷霆必须重建

[–][OKC] Andre Roberson BrownStreakInMyPants 709 points 10 hours ago

Everyone calls him a “bum” and “stat padder” until he becomes available to trade

雷霆球迷:在他进入交易市场之前,大家都说他是“菜鸡”、“数据刷子”。

[–]Bucks whosgeoff 343 points 10 hours ago

I feel like there’s plenty of teams that would pass on Russ

雄鹿球迷:我觉得还是有很多球队会不要威少啊。

[–]Cavaliers Agnonzach 11 points 8 hours ago

Honestly I would take him. If we can get him for a couple of first rounders I think that makes us a 2nd tier team in the East. Plus you reunite Love and WB. If no one else wants him we should jump on this

骑士球迷:讲真,要我就想要他。如果我骑能用几个首轮得到他,那我觉得我们可以在东部成为一支二流球队。而且你还能让威少和乐福重聚。如果没人想要他,那我们应该冲上去。

[–]Wizards MasochistNbaFan 55 points 10 hours ago

I love Westbrook

Hope he joins an eastern team

奇才球迷:我爱威少。希望他来东部。

[–]ThugosaurusFlex_1017 55 points 8 hours ago

Xinjiang is ready.

新疆准备好了。

[–]Warriors SocialistNixon 5 points 5 hours ago

Certainly East

勇士球迷:绝对的东方。

[–][OKC] Paul George hydropenguin69 10 points 9 hours ago

I hope we send him somewhere that’s contending but idk who can afford the contract tbh...

雷霆球迷:我希望我们能把他送去一支争冠球队,可是不知道谁能承受得起他的合同……

[–]inmybutt69696969 44 points 9 hours ago

To Dubai. Only people that can afford him.

去迪拜吧。只有那儿的人能付得起他的薪水。

[–][HOU] Josh Smith Tacool 183 points 9 hours ago

Send him to the east for the love of god the West has no air to breathe

火箭球迷:把他送去东部吧,西部已经没有呼吸的地儿了

[–]76ers i_love_wawa_ 409 points 10 hours ago

san antonio detroit or miami im telling you

76人球迷:我就这么说了,马刺、活塞和热火,三选一、

[–][DET] Michael Curry MintyFreshBreathYo 18 points 9 hours ago

I would riot if we included Blake in a trade for Westbrook

活塞球迷:要是我们为了威少搭上了格里芬,那我就造反

[–]Spurs CaptainPussybeast 77 points 9 hours ago

San Antonio has like 20 guards on a 15man roster

马刺球迷:我刺这个15人的名单里都快有20个后卫了……

[–][POR] Damian Lillard Familyguy35 18 points 10 hours ago

The least Spurs player ever

开拓者球迷:威少是史上最不马刺的球员

[–]Spurs youarebroke 144 points 10 hours ago

What a bunch of morons suggesting this lmao, he doesn't fit at all

We have good young guards and these idiots think he will pay Westbrook 47m at the age of 34 lmao

马刺球迷:蠢到啥样才会说威少来我刺,他压根不搭啊

我们这帮年轻人可以了,这些蠢货居然还觉得我们会给34岁的威少4700万,哈哈哈

[–][PHI] Joel Embiid jakrictel 16 points 8 hours ago

Miami pls

76人球迷:去迈阿密吧

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook Anti_Matur 47 points 9 hours ago

Only matter of time. They’ll work together. All these people saying he’s gonna get traded to a rebuilding team are dumb as shit.

雷霆球迷:威少离队就时间问题。他们会协商好的。那些说他会被交易去一支重建球队的,也是蠢得可以。

[–]Mavericks sprawljawnz 85 points 8 hours ago

Man Pistons would be fucking dope to cheer for with Blake, D Rose and Westbrook with Casey.

独行侠球迷:我天,要是威少去了活塞,那就“屌”炸天了,格里芬、罗斯加威少,还有凯西教练

[–]PretentiousPoster 47 points 8 hours ago

No joke I’m an immediate Pistons fan if that happens.

不开玩笑啊,要真这样,我就立马成活塞球迷

[–]Thunder Senseisntsocommon 104 points 10 hours ago

He’d look real good in Detroit next to Blake. Russ / Galloway / Kennard /Blake / Adams with Rose as 6th man and finishing games at the 2. That would be a top 4 team in the east.

雷霆球迷:威少要是去活塞和格里芬搭的话会很好的。威少、加洛韦、肯纳德、格里芬、亚当斯,再加罗斯第六人,比赛末段打2号位。那这个阵容可以冲进东部前四。

[–]NBA EmmettRapaportNBA 950 points 9 hours ago

For everyone saying Miami -- the Heat have 5 1st-round picks over next 7 years, but owe 1sts to OKC in 2021 (unprotected) and 2023 (lottery protected through 2025, unprotected in 2026). As a result, for at least the next 4 years, they won’t be able to trade a future 1st-round pick unconditionally until 2028.

那些说去热火的,你们想过没,热火今后7年有5个首轮签,可是已经欠了雷霆一个2021年的无保护首轮签和2023年的乐透保护首轮签(到2026年才无保护)。也就是说,至少接下来4年,他们是没法再无条件地交易首轮签了。

[–]harmonic- 30 points 9 hours ago

3 team deal?

三方交易?

[–]Heat Bobb_o 424 points 9 hours ago

Don't doubt Riley.

热火球迷:可别怀疑莱利的操作能力。

[–]Heat Bobb_o 248 points 8 hours ago

Did you miss how the Heat got Jimmy Butler with having no cap space entering FA?

热火球迷:难道你们忘了我们是如何在没有薪资空间的情况下进入自由市场得到巴特勒的吗?

[–]Bulls tfbillc 75 points 8 hours ago

Was just playing around with the trade machine thinking of a three way trade between OKC, Houston and Miami.

Chris Paul to Miami. Westbrook and James Johnson to Rockets. Dragic, Gordon and picks from HOU to Thunder.

公牛球迷:刚玩交易机的时候想到一个三方交易:雷霆、火箭和热火。

保罗去热火,威少和詹姆斯-约翰逊去火箭,德拉季奇、戈登和火箭的几个选秀签给雷霆。

[–]Heat squeakaz0id 16 points 8 hours ago

No thank you. CP3 is the worst.

热火球迷:不,谢了。保罗是最菜的。

[–]sharklavapit 241 points 8 hours ago

Rockets is exactly the team Westbrook fits in the WORST.

Morey/D'ANtoni would have a heart attack with Westbrook playing for them

火箭恰恰是威少最不适合的球队。

要是威少真去了火箭,莫雷和德安东尼会犯心脏病的。

[–]EShy 11 points 7 hours ago

Heart Attack? Maybe that will force D'Antoni to retire and the Rockets will finally get a coach who can make adjustments in a playoff series

仅仅是心脏病?或许会迫使德安东尼退休,然后火箭终于得到一个懂得在季后赛里临场应变的教练。

[–]Rockets talknojutsu312 301 points 9 hours ago

Knicks should trade for him

火箭球迷:尼克斯应该追求威少。

[–][NYK] Lance Thomas scmsf49 561 points 9 hours ago

yall dont even think before you post you just say dumb shit

We didn't want your overpaid old point guard, why would we want someone elses?

尼克斯球迷:你们说蠢话之前都不过脑的吗?

我们之前都没想要你们薪水过高的老控卫,这时候干嘛要其他人??

[–]Lakers suckerpunch085 7 points 8 hours ago

Golden state D'Lo for Westbrook!

湖人球迷:勇士用拉塞尔换威少吧!

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[–][NYK] Kurt Thomas The_MadStork 1253 points 10 hours ago

r/nba about to be in shambles when Westbrook balls out under a competent coach

尼克斯球迷:要是威少在一个优秀教练手下又打嗨了,那这个论坛的脸往哪儿放哦

[–][POR] Kevin Duckworth IanCaesars 49 points 9 hours ago

I hope it will happen.

开拓者球迷:我希望这成为现实。

[–][CHA] Malik Monk CLTwolf 49 points 9 hours ago

That’s just not gonna happen. Westbrook is, in a lot of ways, set in stone as a player at this point. How easy do you think it would be to get a 31 year old former MVP that makes $40 million a year to actually move without the ball and not take so many bad shots?

黄蜂球迷:这事儿是没可能的。从很多方面来说,现阶段的威少作为球员的属性已经定调了。让一个年薪4000万的31岁的前MVP无球跑动起来,而且别再浪投,你觉得这是有多简单???

[–]Thunder Ssumday_is_love 498 points 9 hours ago

Imagine him under Pop or Phil

雷霆球迷:那他要是在波波或者杰克逊手下呢

[–][UTA] Adam Keefe jliv60 479 points 9 hours ago

Pop would die trying to get Westbrook's BBIQ caught up to his skill level. Some of Westbrook's habits would be hard to break

爵士球迷:那波波会死命地让威少把球商拉高到球技的水平线。威少有些坏习惯是难以改变的。

[–]Thunder TomagotchiPeakin 138 points 9 hours ago

That’s Russ in a nutshell. He knows what he should do he even tries the right things often his old habits just always outweigh them. Still my guy wherever he goes.

雷霆球迷:威少已经定型了。他知道自己该干啥,他也常常做那些正确的选择,只是他的那些老毛病总是占据了上风。不管他去哪儿,还是那个威少。

[–]Warriors athleticshark 137 points 9 hours ago

Westbrook already balls out

His issue is BBIQ and making adjustments

No one underestimates his skill. It is the other shit

勇士球迷:威少早就打出名堂了。

他的问题在于球商和应变。

没人低估他的技术,这是另一码事。

[–][CLE] Manny Harris Swift_taco_mechanic 93 points 9 hours ago

A lot of people underestimate his skill cause he can’t shoot very well and that is completely fair

骑士球迷:很多人小看了他的技术,这也没毛病,因为他的投射不好。

[–]76ers hk0125 21 points 8 hours ago

It’s not just poor shooting, it’s poor decision making both on offense and defense. I know OKC fans hate hearing this but as good as WB is, he doesn’t necessarily play winning basketball in the playoffs where every possession is crucial.

76人球迷:不止是投篮菜啊,还有他在攻防两端错误的选择。我知道雷蜜很讨厌听到这些,可是强如威少,他真没必要在季后赛里打英雄球,毕竟那时候的每个回合都很重要。

[–]Thunder Wes___Mantooth 495 points 9 hours ago

If he pulled it off Russ would be absolutely terrifying. Imagine if Russ had been under Pop from day 1.

雷霆球迷:要是波波调教好了,那威少绝对很吓人。要是威少从进联盟开始就是在波波手下打球多好啊。

[–][CHA] Robert Parish Bignova 14 points 6 hours ago

He'd be insane. Man was MVP without the help of incredible coaching. Give him one of the best coaches of all time ? its game over.

黄蜂球迷:那他就强到没谱了。毕竟在没有名帅指导的情况下他就拿了MVP。再给他一个历史顶级教头?那不用打了。

[–]Nuggets Seanis 62 points 8 hours ago

That version of Russ would be crazy, especially since they woulda had his shot way better with the best shooting coach in the league

掘金球迷:那个版本的威少肯定很炸啊,何况他们还能用联盟最好的投篮教练大幅度强化威少的投篮。

[–]Thunder fryseyes 18 points 7 hours ago

And his off-ball movement would be completely different - that’s one of the most frustrating parts. Hurts his teammates so much when he just stands there.

雷霆球迷:而且他的无球跑动也会完全不同——这是他目前最让人沮丧的地方之一,他有时候就那么站着看球太伤队友了。

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