Messi on Ginobili: They should call me the Manu of football
梅西如此评价吉诺比利：“他们应该称我为足球界的吉诺比利。”
[–]Sixers BandwagonTrexfromouterspace 1966 指標 10小時前
I honestly see the similarity.
Manu eurosteps to avoid defenders and get points.
Messi launders money in secret offshore accounts to evade taxes.
Totally the same thing.
我确实觉得二人有相似之处。
吉诺比利用欧洲步避开防守人，完成得分，
梅西用秘密海外账户中钱来避税，
完全是一回事儿嘛。
[–]PM_ME_ALLNUDES 242 指標 10小時前
Got me good
老哥你真是秀到我了。
[–]Timberwolveseeeedlef 70 指標 9小時前
Did he boom you?
他咣叽炸了你一下么？
[–]Clippersd1g1tal 70 指標 9小時前
(x4)
重复了四遍。
[–][CLE] LeBron Jamessilkkthechakakhan 82 指標 8小時前
Messi then said he wanted to add Manu to the list of Argentinian people he disappointed with his World Cup performance
然后，梅西表示，他想把吉诺比利添加到对他的世界杯表现感到失望的阿根廷人民的名单中。
[–]LakersoOoleveloOo 94 指標 9小時前
Serious question. Whatsup with La Liga players and tax evasion? Obviously they don’t do their own taxes. Are Spain’s tax laws that complicated? What gives?
问个严肃的问题。为啥西甲球员总能和逃税联系到一起？很明显他们不会亲自计算并缴纳税款。西班牙的税法有那么复杂么？问题出在哪？
[–]KillerBeesRedux 103 指標 9小時前
Soon after David Beckham joined Real Madrid in 2003, he was able to enjoy a new tax-exemption scheme aimed at attracting foreign talent to Spain across all sectors. That scheme became known as the Beckham Law, when he became one of the first players to sign up to a six-year-long tax ceiling of 24%, roughly half what Spaniards paid on six-figure-plus incomes.
在大卫-贝克汉姆加入皇马后不久，他可以享受一项新的免税计划，这一计划旨在吸引各方面的外国人才来到西班牙。当时，贝克汉姆成为第一批签下时长6年税率上限为24%合同的球员之一，这差不多是薪水达6位数的本土球员所交税款的一半，因而这项计划又被称作贝克汉姆法案。
Spain was in the midst of an unprecedented economic boom, a perfect playground for "galacticos" of the likes of Zinedine Zidane and Luis Figo, before the arrival of Cristiano Ronaldo and the emergence of Barcelona prodigy Lionel Messi.
当时的西班牙处在前所未有的经济繁荣期，在C罗空降西甲，巴塞罗那的奇迹里奥-梅西降临之前，这里是齐内丁-齐达内和路易斯-菲戈这样的银河巨星的完美战场。
But in 2010 the Beckham Law was scrapped for salaries of more than €600,000, and since then tax inspectors have begun to wise up to the use of complex financial operations using offshore shell companies to get around tax laws.
但是，自2010年开始，贝克汉姆法案不再适用于年薪超过60万欧元的人。而从那时候起，税务调查人员招子放亮了起来，他们对于使用境外空壳公司来逃避税法的复杂财务运营伎俩有了警惕性。
"The line between avoidance and evasion is very fine in these cases. In the past few years Spain's tax agency has intensified its control over footballers and their companies, checking to see if they are mere fronts or whether they are really active economically," explains Carlos Cruzado, president of tax inspectors' union Gestha.
“在这些案件中，避税和逃税之间的区别非常细微。过去几年，西班牙的税务机构加强了对足球运动员以及他们公司的管控，排查这些公司是否只是个掩护，还是真的有活跃的经济方面运作。”西班牙财政部技术人员工会主席Carlos Cruzado解释道。
原文链接：为什么西班牙球星陷入法律纠纷的麻烦中>>
[–]Bulletsber_meiners 747 指標 9小時前
I think it's obvious that Messi is better or generally more important to the football world than Manu is to the basketball world. But quotes like these will remind of us that the level of respect Argentinians have for Manu.
我觉得，显而易见，比起吉诺比利在篮球世界中的地位，梅西在足球世界中要更加出色或者更加重要。但是主楼这样的话会提醒我们阿根廷人有多尊敬吉诺比利。
The basketball world is bigger than NBA accomplishments, it is unprecedented for any South American player to do so much at the highest level and I think that is what Messi is comparing himself to when he says this. Messi is doing unprecedented things in European football for an Argentinian, the same way Manu did in the NBA.
篮球世界不止于NBA，一个南美球员能在最高水平的联赛中取得这么多成就本身就是史无前例的。我觉得梅西说这番话的意思就是这个。梅西一个阿根廷人在欧洲足坛正在书写着前所未有的成就，而吉诺比利也在NBA完成了相同的事情。
[–][SAS] Mengke BateerUsedpresident 202 指標 6小時前
Messi had a predecessor in Europe, Diego Maradona. Played for the same team and wore the same jersey number too. I think Messi is a better player, though Argentinians would disagree. But Manu is Maradona - the groundbreaker, the universally loved. The next Manu from Argentina, if there ever is one, will be Messi.
马刺球迷：梅西在欧洲有一个前辈可以借鉴，那就是迭戈-马拉多纳。他俩效力过同一支球队，球衣号码也一样。虽然阿根廷人不会同意，但我觉得梅西比老马更强。可吉诺比利则是马拉多纳那样的人——领域的开拓者，广受喜爱。阿根廷的下一个吉诺比利——如果有这么个人出现的话——就会是梅西（光荣退役）。
[–]poodle_corleone 86 指標 6小時前
Maradona was mythical on a national team level. He is essentially responsible for Argentina's only two world cups. Club soccer wasn't what it is today back then but his club career wasn't as decorated as his national team career.
马拉多纳在国家队层面上是神话般的存在。阿根廷仅有的两座世界杯冠军基本上都是老马的功劳。当时的俱乐部联赛不似当今的这般，但他的俱乐部生涯并不像他的国家队生涯那般璀璨。
Messi is the exact opposite. He is arguably the greatest player to ever play club soccer but his national teams consistently fall short (a lot). Messi has achieved more than anyone on the club level (on par with Ronaldo) and may go down as the best ever by the end of his career.
梅西则恰恰相反。他有可能是最伟大的俱乐部球员，但是他在国家队总是差一口气（有时候差得很多）。梅西在俱乐部层面所达成的成就远超众人（与C罗并肩），而且可能会作为史上最出色的那个结束自己的职业生涯。
While both players wear/wore #10, this number is more of a positional number than anything else. It is typically reserved for the best attacking player on the team. It is typically an honor to wear #10 for a team.
虽然马拉多纳和梅西都穿10号，这个数字其实主要也就是表示位置的号码。10号通常都留给球队最出色的进攻球员。为一支球队身披10号战袍一般都是种荣耀。
[–][SAS] Manu Ginobilipepecassidy 62 指標 5小時前
Maradona didn't play for the team that won the 1978 world cup. I agree with the rest, though.
马刺球迷：1978年阿根廷在世界杯夺冠，老马那年并没有踢。不过我同意你剩下的观点。
[–]KillerBeesRedux 166 指標 11小時前
Okay, now are we allowed to call Manu overrated? I mean what are we waiting for at this point?
我的天……咱们现在可以说吉诺比利被高估了吧？这还想咋吹啊？
[–][IND] Jermaine O'Nealstuckinthesameloop 579 指標 11小時前
He's a little better than the Manu of football
额……梅西要比“足球界的马努”强一丢丢吧。
[–]Wizardsireddit270 752 指標 10小時前
But Manu has actually won something for Argentina..
但吉诺比利是为阿根廷赢得过实际荣誉的。
[–]reggiedp16 308 指標 10小時前
they both won olympic gold for argentina
吉诺比利和梅西都为阿根廷赢得过奥运会金牌啊。
[–]Wizardsireddit270 119 指標 10小時前
Granted I was kinda being cheeky but Messi's was U23 Olympics lol .. that medal doesn't count for much of anything in a footballing nation like Argentina
是，我刚才的话有些抖机灵了，但是梅西那拿的是U23的奥运金牌啊……那块奖牌对于阿根廷这种足球强国根本算不了什么。
[–][LAL] Lonzo BallCoolScales 108 指標 10小時前
I think Messi's more like LeBron. He scores and assists. I think Ronaldo's more like Durant in that he's a fantastic scorer, but also gets a decent amount of assists.
湖人球迷：我觉得梅西更像詹姆斯。他既能得分也可以助攻。我觉得C罗更像杜兰特，他是个非常出色的得分手，不过他也有很多助攻。
[–][LAL] Kyle KuzmaHam_Solo7 105 指標 9小時前
Definitely alot of parallels between Ronaldo and KD. But I would say Ronaldo is also alot like Kobe, both have insane work ethics and mentality to win. Both scores alot, get called selfish very often eventhough both have decent amount of assist number, both played for the most illustrious team (Madrid/Lakers) in their sport.
湖人球迷：C罗和杜兰特之间确实有很多的相似之处。但是我觉得吧，C罗也非常像科比，他们俩都有着疯狂的职业精神和好胜心；两个人都得分很多，经常有人说他们自私，哪怕二人都有很多的助攻；都为历史最辉煌的队伍（皇马/湖人）效力。
[–]fleonsky 52 指標 8小時前
ITT: people who don't watch soccer
给大家总结下这帖子里的内容：一群不看足球的人瞎吹B。
[–]Lakerssk8alien3721 216 指標 8小時前
For people who talking about how Messi hasn't won anything for his country you need to understand how incredibly incompetent the argentine FA is, to say they are the Sacramento kings of football is too generous. From things like have a tie vote for the president at 38-38 despite there being ONLY 75 voters, to Messi himself paying out of his pocket the salaries of training staff, because they wouldn't.
那些说梅西没有为他的国家争得过什么荣誉的人，你们得明白阿根廷足协有多么多么的无能，说他们是足球界的萨克拉门托国王都算是抬举他们了。足协主席投票大选票数38比38打平——尽管只有75个投票者。然后又是梅西自掏腰包支付训练人员的薪水，因为足协才不管呢。荒唐事一个接一个。
Messi fucking dragged us through the World Cup qualifiers. For me he is the greatest athlete of all time regardless of sport.
梅西可是特么拖着我们阿根廷打进了世界杯啊。对我来说，不管跟什么运动的人物比较，他都是有史以来最出色的运动员。
[–]Clipperssupergroovalistic 127 指標 8小時前
Damn Kings fans aren't safe in any thread.
我去，国王球迷真是到哪都躺着中枪啊。
[–]Lakersdlm891 38 指標 7小時前
Those last two Copa Americas were brutal for Argentina. In both tournaments, they didn't trail for a single minute in any match, only to lose in penalty kicks in the final to Chile.
过去两届美洲杯对于阿根廷队而言是残酷的。这两届杯赛，阿根廷在任何一场比赛中都不曾落后过，结果却在决赛的点球大战中败给了智利。
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